Doyle Brunson Says Phil Ivey Too Young For Poker Hall Of Fame

Phil Ivey

Tiger Woods isn't in the Golf Hall of Fame yet.

Poker blogger Doyle Brunson woke up from one of his naps this past Sunday to chime in on the inductees for the 2009 Poker Hall of Fame. Or more specifically Phil Ivey, who he thinks is too young to get the nod.

Said Doyle on his blog:

It’s almost time to vote for the 2009 inductees into the Poker Hall Of Fame and I’m unsure of who my choices will be. I’m leaning toward the older guys with my first choice being Mike Sexton. We have to pick two and I’m thinking hard about my other vote. Phil Ivey is the best player on the list, but he is only 33 years old. Chip Reese is the youngest player to be inducted at the age of 40. Phil is great, but he still isn’t Chip. Give Phil a few more years and he will certainly be elected.

We tend to agree with Doyle here and we’re guessing Phil Ivey probably does too. Or doesn’t care, unless he has a prop bet on it.  Hall of Fames aren’t for players still at the height of their careers, like Ivey. They’re for players whose careers have more to look back at then look forward to.

What do you think? Should Ivey be inducted at the age of 33? Should they have an age requirement for players put on the ballot (see Dwan)? Let us know in the comments.

Requirements for the Poker Hall of Fame after the jump.

Requirements for the Poker Hall of Fame:

  • A gambler must have played poker against acknowledged top competition,
  • Played for high stakes,
  • Played consistently well, gained the respect of peers,
  • And stood the test of time.
  • Or, for non-players, contributed to the overall growth and success of the game of poker, with indelible positive and lasting results

16 Responses

  1. BJ Nemeth

    July 30, 2009 5:05 pm, Reply

    My personal philosophy regarding these votes is that a player has to be at least 35 years old, and with at least 10 years playing poker at the highest possible levels. Those are bare minimums — I won’t even consider a player who doesn’t hit those minimums.

    That doesn’t mean I’ll vote for Ivey as soon as he turns 35. As mentioned in this Wicked Chops post, I feel it’s bad form to vote someone into the Hall of Fame while they are still in their peak productive years. Give the players time to build up some impressive stats to actually put on the plaque first. (I know there aren’t plaques yet, but I’m confident that someday there will be a physical Poker Hall of Fame in some form or another — even if it’s just a Binions-style “Wall of Fame.”)

  2. Fifth Street Journal

    July 30, 2009 7:02 pm, Reply

    Doyle has previously said that he favored Barry Greenstein and Mike Sexton, and I agree with that… Greenstein certainly, as he spent about 10 years atop the poker world. Phil Ivey will be in the Hall of Fame eventually, but he shouldn’t be in it yet.

  3. BJ Nemeth

    July 30, 2009 7:05 pm, Reply

    Mike Sexton has my vote locked up, not just as a player, but for his larger role as poker’s ambassador. He has done far more for the poker industry than most people are aware of.

    I still think Barry Greenstein is playing near his peak, so I am in no hurry to vote for Barry Greenstein.

  4. George Bush

    July 30, 2009 8:03 pm, Reply

    Doyle Brunson is a completely senile, old idiot. From condoning torture to make pronouncements like the above, which no one cares about, he reminds one of a has-been boxer still fighting beyond his prime. Do us a favor Dolye, SHUT THE EFF UP and move on dude! The cat’s outta the bag. My 10 year old plays better than you. Go get ’em Phil!

  5. Johnny

    July 30, 2009 11:59 pm, Reply

    I completely agree with Dolly, on both accounts.

    Ivey still has many years of handing people their asses at the table and I would agree that he could really care less about such status right now.
    And Sexton is a great choice. Not only is he a great player, but he’s been one of the preeminent voices and ambassadors of poker for over 7 years now.

  6. LivBoereeFan

    July 31, 2009 9:23 am, Reply

    With both Woods and Ivey we have living legends in our midst. If Ivey secures 12 bracelets by the age of 35 should he be inducted? The same with Woods if he beats Jack Nicklaus record should he also be inducted?

    For me the Hall of Fame is about relative achievement. Some players have been inducted who have no where near the amount of skill and ability of Ivey. If he wins the Main Event I would vote him in next year.

  7. doyle brunson

    August 1, 2009 3:42 pm, Reply

    George Bush…why not give me a call and we’ll go a few rounds? Naw, you are all mouth!

  8. Matthew

    August 2, 2009 5:30 pm, Reply

    I agree, if he wins the WSOP bracelet and gets 12 or more bracelets in WPT or WSOP events then it doesn’t matter waht his age is to be inducted. It is possible to be a young legend.

  9. YCO

    August 12, 2009 8:09 pm, Reply

    don’t you have to be retired for at least five years and get voted in by the Poker Writer’s Association?

    The “Poker Hall of Fame” has to be the most ridiculously subjective thing I’ve ever seen! What the fuck does “play for high stakes, played consistently well, gained the respect of peers” mean? We’re talking fucking GAMBLING here people, most of these guys are absolute degenerates!!!! Oh yeah, Chops HERE!

  10. Phi

    August 17, 2009 2:44 am, Reply

    Why shouldn’t he be voted in if he is eligible and the best player out there? Dolly conceded as much in his blog. Why should age be a consideration? Chip Reese wasn’t on the downside of his career when he was elected so why should we wait for Phil Ivey. As far as I’m concerned, if Chip Reese got in at 40, I don’t see any reason why another player should be prevented from breaking that record when age was never made a basis for qualification. I’m not saying vote for the guy but Why Not? Of course, with only 2 votes, mine would go to Mike Sexton and Daniel Negreanu for being such great ambassadors of the game. Phil Hellmuth deserves to be there too based on his breaking the record number of WSOP bracelets held by Dolly and Johnny Chan. The aforementioned players will all become Hall of Famers, along with Barry Greenstein, Phil Ivey, Gus Hansen, Scotty Nguyen, Dan Harrington, Phil Laak… so why wait? If you feel they deserve to be in NOW based on what they’ve accomplished NOW, then vote them in NOW. Voting them in won’t prevent them from continuing to play excellent poker like Dolly et. al.

  11. poker rakeback

    September 7, 2009 9:16 am, Reply

    I think the skill and ability of the player should be the determining factor in who makes the Hall of Fame, not age. Phil Ivey is clearly the best poker player in the world and deserves to be recognized as such.

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