Jeff Madsen Talks 9/11

Let’s get this out of the way first: Jeff Madsen is one of the more popular players on the circuit. He’s got a lot of friends. So it’s not like he’s a total douche. People like the guy.

However, as faithful readers of this site know, we have a thing against people who believe in a 9/11 conspiracy.

Madsen was the in-studio guest for tomorrow night’s episode of Poker2Nite. Backstage, we asked him a few questions on 9/11. Probably knowing we’d be slaying him for whatever he said that didn’t involve the words, “al-qaeda did it…” he was cool enough to answer our questions.

Having said that…

How can anyone that truly believes our Government is capable of flying planes into our own buildings–including the Pentagon where people in the Government would have multiple friends and family members and is THE symbol of U.S. American military power to the world–fuck an a–if you believe that our Government is capable of that mass murder and you STILL not only pay taxes to that Government (which in turn helps finance a war you believe was the reason for said conspiracy) and YOU STILL LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY THEN WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?

Also, if the Government is capable of flying a jet into its own Pentagon, then why are they not capable of waxing people uncovering this massive conspiracy? “Hey, here’s an idea Cheney, let’s fly jets into one of our major financial sysmbols–both of them– and our military headquarters and kill thousands of innocent Americans including some of our friends so we can go to war with Iraq.” “Sounds good. Man I hope nobody figures out what were doing. What, Mr. President, should we do if someone DOES figure it out?” “Cheney, I’ve got it–let them live.”

Finally, who do you think knows more about the real reason the towers crashed? This guy or these guys? That’s what we thought.

Anyway, watch Poker2Nite every Wednesday on Versus at 11pm EST!!!

 

33 Responses

  1. andyx3x

    March 23, 2010 6:32 pm, Reply

    What a douchebag. He’s either mentally ill or a total idiot. It’s definitely one or the other.

  2. Del

    March 23, 2010 11:58 pm, Reply

    I like Jeff even more now :) This is a topic that not everyone will agree on, the fact of the matter is when you talk about Government mr. chops, you fail to realize that the government is probably not even in control. I’m not even going to get into that one. Those with wisdom see what really is, and wisdom is possessed in various degrees, so it’s understandable the wide range of peoples opinions. I sense anger in your post mr. chops, what’s the root of that? I’ll end with this: We are all living in an ignorant state of mind, we will never know thruths, “truth is relative to what you will believe”. I think it’s dangerous to dismiss any theory, be humble, accept your ignorance and keep your mind open.

  3. kosh

    March 24, 2010 3:27 am, Reply

    Del – I can’t speak for Chops, I can only speak for myself, but as the old saying goes; I do believe in keeping an open mind, but not so open that my brain falls out.

  4. Sebastien

    March 24, 2010 5:28 am, Reply

    Al – Qaeda means “the Base” not “the Database” and it was the original name of the training camp (as in the “military base” of operations) the extremists used.

    Which got me thinking: if these conspiracy theorists got this fact wrong, and several other facts wrong, is it any wonder they come to the conclusions that they do?

    Instead of convincing them that 9/11 wasn’t an “inside job”, maybe we should instead have them give us their evidence, piece by piece and then “mythbust” each one as publicly as possible.

    Look, we get it…. George Bush and family had a lot of ties to the oil industry and members of his cabinet had ties to Haliburton. All of them used 9/11 as a flimsy reason for invading Iraq, partly to appear as if they were attacking terrorism head on, and partly for self interests. And the world is scary enough without wondering if some random nutjob is going to decide to hijack a plane and fly over 2 states to hit the building where you might be working. But to shit on the lives lost and the bereaved families with this conspiracy nonsense is beyond low.

  5. Mean Gene

    March 24, 2010 6:26 am, Reply

    Yeah, al-Qaeda means “The Base” not “Database”. And in the Guardian piece linked to above (and presumably where Madsen picked up the “Database” reference) Robin Cook says that arming Osama bin Laden to fight the Russians in Afghanistan was “…a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies” and that “it never appears to have occurred to Washington that once Russia was out of the way, Bin Laden’s organisation would turn its attention to the west.” A far cry from bin Laden being a CIA puppet.

    There’s also the fact that if the CIA invented al-Qaeda as this putative terrorist organization made up of CIA villains culled from a CIA database, why would you give it a name that means DATABASE in Arabic?? Wouldn’t people say, “Huh, that’s an odd name for an Arabic terrorist organization, I.T. really isn’t that big among jihadis”. I mean, that’s some Austin Powers shit right there. Why not just give it a name that means, in Arabic, “CIA FRONT”??

  6. Ricky

    March 24, 2010 6:58 am, Reply

    Great poker player but what a douche! As usual someone uses half truths or supposed truths to use as the basis of their own wacked out conspiracy theories. Let me guess next he will say that LBJ killed JFK using theories he saw in Oliver Stone’s movie “JFK”. Great movie but a slight work of fiction.
    Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook wrote that the word Al Qaeda SHOULD be translated as “the database”, and originally referred to the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen militants who were recruited and trained with CIA help to defeat the Russians.[20] In April 2002, the group assumed the name Qa’idat al-Jihad, which means “the base of Jihad”. According to Diaa Rashwan, this was “apparently as a result of the merger of the overseas branch of Egypt’s al-Jihad (Egyptian Islamist Jihad, or EIJ) group, led by Ayman El-Zawahiri, with the groups Bin Laden brought under his control after his return to Afghanistan in the mid-1990s.

  7. Del

    March 24, 2010 8:42 am, Reply

    Sometime to give any value to conspiracy theories is to hard for us, because it shakes the foundation of our beliefs.

    Whether al quaida is a database or not, who cares really, we’ll never know so why aruge about it. We like to think we know we have answers for everything, make us feel secure.

    Was 911 an inside job? Yes I lean towards that theory, does that mean that I also accept that it may not be? Sure, I mean in the end what the hell do I know?

    It comes down to this, what story/theory do you accept? The news/government theory? or your own? Why is one theory a conspiracy and one not? Do you accept that the news/government tell you all the truths?

    I know it’s hard to image the government plotting on it’s own country/people, you have to understand though, the government or the government you are shown on tv and in the news is not in full control. The CIA operates outside the boundaries of the government, and who does the CIA respond to? Who the hell knows, I’m sure we never will, my guess is someone or group with a lot of money and power.

    JFK challenged the CIA, he talked about the people behind the curtain in a speech.

    • Ricky

      March 24, 2010 9:21 am, Reply

      I think we all know that it is very difficult (if not impossible) to change the beliefs of people, we are who we are. Having said that with regards to what “thoery” we believe, the news and government are two separate entities. Its not a black and white thing, its varying shades of gray or as Fletch would say charcoal. Far too many researchers not associated with the “gov’t” have disproved nearly all the myths associated with 9/11 conspiracy theorists. Prime example being the WICKED CHOPS ENTITY link to Popular Mechanics above.

      Sometimes conspiracy theories are perpetrated because we cant fathom the fact that something so “simple in nature” caused the disaster in question, i.e. one man (Oswald) killing our beloved President. We must add weight to the one side of the pendulum so that it will equal the other. A conspiracy with lots of people and theories does that quite nicely.

      FWIW if the CIA is outside the boundaries of the govt (which it ISNT) as you say it likely is and answer to “other people” then how is it that 9/11 was an inside job perpetrated by possibly the CIA or operatives who are obviously not within the confines of the said govt. Hmmm. Govt lesson here….the director of the CIA reports directly to the Director of National Intelligence who serves as an advisor to the President. Standard hierarchy there. Previous to 9/11, the director of the CIA reported directly to the President.

    • Wicked Chops Entity

      March 24, 2010 9:58 am, Reply

      There is no “theory.” Al Qaeda was behind the 9/11 attacks.

      People conveniently forget that AQ (or people associated with them if not formally organized under that name yet) were behind the ’93 twin towers bombing (which they had hoped would topple both towers), the U.S.S. Cole bombing, and a number of other attacks worldwide. Was that all part of the U.S. government’s massive set-up and lead-in to 9/11? So it now goes back to the Clinton administration too? Hilarious. “Hey George…” “Yeah Bill…” “Here’s the thing…under my watch in between banging interns I set up a puppet terrorist group of Islamic extremists attacking U.S. and Israeli interests across the globe.” “Wow, good work Bill!” “Now that you’re in office, I need you to execute the final step in this master plan…8 months from now…in which we fly planes into the WTC, Pentagon, and then randomly crash one in Pennsylvania that we’ll claim was headed for the Capital!” “Sounds good that’s like out of a Hollywood movie!” “I’ve set all of this up for you so you can use it as an excuse to attack Iraq so we can take over their oil fields and so Cheney’s old company can get rich off of contracting. By the way, I haven’t figured out an occupation or exit strategy for that yet, so that one’s on you guys, ok?” “Ok. Got it. That’s really nice of you to do all of this for us…how did you know all the way back in 1993 though that I’d be taking office and not Al Gore. Also, the Government under your watch was capable of setting up this puppet terrorist front, then how come you couldn’t get Al Gore 300 extra votes in Florida so he’d be President instead of me?” “George, let’s just not discuss that stuff, ok?”

    • Sebastien

      March 24, 2010 10:45 am, Reply

      “Whether al quaida is a database or not, who cares really, we’ll never know so why aruge about it. ”
      - That’s beyond ridiculous… we DO know. This wasn’t done in code. It’s arabic and easily translated. And part of the problem is that theorists base this conspiracy on a laundry list of “facts” that support their idea, but each individual “fact” is easily proven wrong.

      “….have answers for everything, make us feel secure.”
      - Which is kind of what conspiracy theorists are doing. I have a pretty good idea of WHAT the terrorists were doing, but I don’t necessarily have a clear idea who or why. I accept that bad things are out there and that we have to be careful. The conspiracy theorists tell you WHAT, WHY and WHO and oftentimes the tell you specifically so you feel LESS secure.

      “Why is one theory a conspiracy and one not?”
      - By definition, a conspiracy theory is a theory that points to a “secret organization” being behind a plot. In this instance, Al-Qaeda(AQ) took credit, AQ operatives were identified… hell, AQ put out a video and handed out pamphlets. So since there is no “secret organization”…. you get my drift.

      Look, I am not naive to think that the government cares about anything other than extracting the most tax revenue it can out of the people under its power. At the end of the day, they want money and power. They have since the beginning of the organization of governments. You would think that with all of recorded history available to review, and with all of the educated individuals elected to office, they would come up with a more effective plan than 9/11.

      Whats more believable? That:
      a) that a bunch of people planning in a cave on the other side of the world thought that hitting the “Pentagon” would stop the US military engine and hitting the “World Trade Center” would stop all US trade with the world?
      or
      b) the CIA and the Federal Governement, in “black ops” mode, hired a bunch of arabs, put them through flight school and told them to hit those targets so that the US could … what? enter a recession? be less trusted worldwide? what exactly did the US get out of this?

      I have already accepted your challenge. I’ve read all of the conspiracy material, done research and found the facts are false. Now accept our challenge: review the facts and if you can, prove them true.

  8. Brian G.

    March 24, 2010 10:16 am, Reply

    Madsen is a total idiot. To me, anyone who believes this crap is a gutless worm who would rather blame Bush and walk away because they know the only other options is blow mofos back to Allah.

    There is a poker player (I forget his name) that renounced his U.S. citizenship and wrote a book, “America: Love it or Leave it, so I left.” And he regrets it to no end. Just ask him.

  9. Lee

    March 24, 2010 2:38 pm, Reply

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/11818067/the_low_post_the_hopeless_stupidity_of_911_conspiracies/4

    great article by one of my favorite writers, matt taibbi. basically talks about paranoia in america and how really, when you break it down there’s very little difference between the bush administration, 9/11 truthers, and other conspiracy theorists:

    “All of these tribes have things in common; they’re insular movements that construct their own reality by cherry-picking the evidence they like from the vast information marketplace, violently disbelieve in the humanity of those outside their ranks, and lavishly praise their own movement mediocrities as great thinkers and achievers.”

    nothing wrong with questioning authority. i could hardly control the vomit from rising out of my mouth while the bush administration was in office. but the fact is you need concrete evidence. if it’s just a bunch of hearsay strung together it doesn’t work. i’m not gonna say there’s a race of potato people living underground cus i found one on a farm. there’s no logic or facts to support it. if you start spouting off a bunch of larouchian bullshit based on the argument “how do we really know?” you end up with well…jeff madsen.

    again, you can’t “cherry pick” things and create scenarios to support your own cause. you could explain away anything with that. that’s what mental patients do.

    anybody who likes the article should read THE GREAT DERANGEMENT. it’s a compilation of taibbi’s articles. he goes undercover to 9/11 truther meetings and ted hagee ministries church retreats. it’s pretty fucking hilarious.

    • Brand

      April 6, 2010 7:17 pm, Reply

      Hey Gavin go get another big mac and stuff ur face while you watch Wolf Blitzer (an Israeli) feed you disinfo about Al Qaeda on CNN. U ppl care about nothing but money. You don’t care that 1.5 Million Iraqis have been slaughtered based upon utter lies and fabrications. This is being done in ur name, you live in America and these are your leaders dong these things. But you don’t give a shit as long as you can sit ur ass in a fat fucking casino and be a degenerate selfish gambler. No wonder everybody hates Americans.

      • Wicked Chops Entity

        April 7, 2010 9:41 am,

        Brand…if Wolf and CNN are in on this conspiracy as most truthers claim, then why are they reporting on elements used in this documentary that would prove a cover-up?

      • Wicked Chops Entity

        April 7, 2010 9:41 am,

        Brand…if Wolf and CNN are in on this conspiracy as most truthers claim, then why are they reporting on elements used in this Core of Corruption documentary that would prove a cover-up?

      • gav

        December 11, 2011 4:26 pm,

        This is possibly the slowest reply to a comment in the history of the internet.

        I’m from London for one thing and I don’t really like McDonald’s that much so basically, cool story bro

  10. Lone Rhino

    March 24, 2010 4:23 pm, Reply

    Jeff Madsen is a one-shot deal who won the lottery twice. He’s less than a moron and the fact we’re even talking about him is half pathetic and half hilarious.

    No one cares about this assclown or any of his nonsense rants about 9/11.

    $100 to anyone who gives him a swift and sudden KITN and can prove it with a video clip.

    (Video clip must not be fake government sponsored conspiracy footage.)

    • Brand

      April 6, 2010 7:24 pm, Reply

      Ur not even a one-shot deal, assclown. You are a waste of oxygen. All you faux patriotards are.

  11. Carter

    March 25, 2010 10:00 am, Reply

    Holy Christ, how do people actully convince themselves of such bullshit?! It’s bad enough that a majority of this nation believes is religious supernatural nonsense but do we have to have a F’in conspiracy for every event of trauma? Like Sagan said “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”

  12. facepalm

    March 29, 2010 8:21 pm, Reply

    What can I say, you cant fix stupid. For his next rant, Madsen will talk about how the moon landing was faked.

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